If you happen to own shares of Palm stock, I recommend you turn away now, because if you thought Tuesday and Wednesday were bad, then you might just faint after seeing today’s numbers: shares of Palm were down $1.80 - that’s -13.42% - today alone. Coupled with losses on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, the stock is down a painful 22.2% for this week alone, and 33.5% for October. This was the worst month for Palm stock since November 2008 when Palm dropped 52.9% (from $3.99 to $1.88), the last down month before Palm promised “new-ness” at CES 2009.
To put it in perspective, Palm dropped more today than the stock was worth on December 5, 2008 (a low close of $1.42). Still, a drop of 13% is nothing to sneeze at. In fact, it’s more something to have a stroke at. Stocks don’t drop like that without a reason. On a whole the entire stock market was down miserably today, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average and NASDAQ technology exchange both hit for -2.5% after the US government reported that consumer spending for September dropped by 0.5% (the worst in nine months and following a Cash for Clunkers fueled 1.9% uptick in August). Competitors like Apple, Google, and Research in Motion were down 2.7% to 4.3%. It was just Wednesday that Standard & Poor’s upgraded Palm’s credit rating and stated a positive outlook for the company, though they noted that Palm was still sensitive to the state of the economy (which today’s numbers showed may not be in as good a shape as had been hoped).
Palm, however, is a unique stock. Much of the drive upwards this year has been fueled more by mindshare than marketshare, as sales numbers have shown. As The Motley Fool noted today, Palm is a scary stock; when the Pre was unveiled back in January it looked as if Palm were striking at the perfect time - a lull in the smartphone market - since then Apple has released a new iPhone, Research in Motion unveiled the Storm 2, and a slew of Android devices, including the impressive new Motorola Droid have been announced or hit shelves. It’s a crowded market and the Pre doesn’t stand out as much as it did six months ago, let alone the lesser spec’ed Pixi.
Things also likely weren’t helped by an editorial posted yesterday on Gizmodo, declaring that Palm had “lost” in the face of overwhelming Android adoption by multiple manufacturers and carriers. We have our quarrels with the posting, but we won’t be addressing them in this article (not enough space, you might say). Palm is in a weak position right now, so any bad news on popular sites will hit the stock hard, and as far as technology websites are concerned, it doesn’t get a whole lot more popular in the tech world than Gizmodo. Combine this with another bad quarter at still-exclusive US carrier Sprint and you’ve got a recipe for a bad stock day.
There is a silver lining to this big gray cloud, though admittedly there’s some tarnish to it. In fact, there are two. One: The lower stock price means that a takeover of Palm would cost less for a potential suitor (say, Nokia?). And two: If you wanted to get in on Palm but were worried that the stock wouldn’t come down enough for you to realize decent gains, well worry no longer. Though we suppose there’s a different worry to be had - when will the pain end?
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so now is the time to buy.
Not to be a Nagging Nancy, but you did start the post with, "I recommend you turn away now" which sounds like advice.
Incidentally, caught that Giz post myself. And there were a few, subtle inaccuracies that rather bothered me. Be curious to see a PC.net response if it could be done without starting a cross-domain flame war.
It is not advice. If you already own stock, there is no good news about what has happened. As for people who don't, there is a silver lining in that the price is cheaper.
*facepalm...* +1 internets to you for reading comprehension. Just take it fresh from my unworthy internets.
Dammit I can't believe I just bought a Palm Pre uhhh now I'm already wishing I got an iPhone and I didn't even open it yet.
Nope, the build quality sucks all on its own... Independent of stock price... Although at this point they do complement each other: build quality = stock price
Well that's YOUR opinion...
Damn palmparcha, every thread, sometimes more often than once. "build quality". If you have a Pre, screw you, you should have stepped out in the first 30 days, Sprint gives you double trial. If you don't own a Pre, shouldn't you be learning and supporting a more worthy device by now?
I have a first gen Pre. No build issues save a single autistic border pixel. I know six other owners all on original devices except one. He went into the store with one little operational bug and Sprint immediately transferred him over to a new unit and sent him on his way.
What I've gathered is, somepeople are better suited for Playskool's "My First Smartphone" coming out in November. It doesn't acutally make calls or exchange data, but it is indestructible, dishwasher safe and perfect for users with short attention spans and no money.
Build quality for the Pre is pretty dern sweet. I ordered from Telesales on 10/28... got a Pre with a build date of 10/08. Everybody who has a Pre built in October has expressed nothing but happiness with their build quality. We were the smart guys who let all the beta testers figure out the real problems with the hardware & software. Any sane person would have waited for the SDK to be released, the App Catalog to be opened, etc. But I do appreciate you early adopters... that's for sure. Now that you guys have done such a great job at beetching, it's time to accept that times are different, and THE BALL HAS JUST NOW STARTED ROLLING for Palm and WebOS. Go find me a Pre with build date of October and tell me what problems you find with it.
Best places to get a Pre built in October -- Sprint Telesales, Sprint.com, & Amazon.com (they are the only 3rd party store/site I would trust to find a newer Pre; BestBuy and TheShack more than likely still have lots of stock of the older Pres).
Dunt, Dunt, da, dunt....its HAMMER time!
I have to say that after seeing the direction of Google's OS and iPhone Palm has just a few more quarters to live. Either it gets purchased by Nokia et. all or they simply liquidate. I LOVE the Pre but it won't be able to keep up long enough to make it.
Reminds me of when DXCM went public. lol
Expect all the trolls who don't even own Palm Pres that like to come here to bash Palm to show up and lick their tongues. Go ahead guys, you can smell the blood.
+1 There is one who posted below touting his iPhone.
i think it will go back up. im kind of excited. i thought i missed out on buying in, but now is the second chance.
I think Palm will improve tremendously when Verizon/AT&T get the phone.
I love sprint, but much of america does not. I want to see both companies do well, but Palm's best action is simply get out on another carrier.
I love Sprint too!
(because they're a national security asset, that we can not afford to lose.)
You take this stock crap seriously? It's all a big F*** game and everyone's a freakin expert. If there are so many experts, why are we in the shape we are in today? They'll go up....
..."They'll go up" <----- Freakin hilarious irony about your post
Yeah I too hopefully am looking for a turn around on other network carriers.
I have faith in Palm. When the pre was first introduced I never thought it was the instant, overnight miracle pill. As of yet the current Pre hasnt even been out for a solid year, there is plenty room for improvement. Asides from the phone, it will take some time for things to stabilize. The pre is an amazing phone. And hopefully it is just one of many steps Palm will take in the right direction.
Really the problem is that people already bought the crap phone called android and iphone. Now the economy is going belly up. It is not the phones fault. If you think palm will tank however then you definitely need a drug test or better yet a ged because you are misinformed. People that actually know tech, know that this phone more than any phone has great potential. There is not another phone on the market that can do what the pre can do which is serve you the net in full (flash and all) while you do other things on the phone. If they can hold until flash comes out then the tide will turn otherwise it will be palm pre but owned by another company that will overtake the market. Those little kiddy's with there iphone can not get money to buy anything else so they are not the ones to buy the phone. This is strictly an adult phone meant for business people. Once flash comes out then the kids can hopefully muster up enough money from their parents to buy an palm pre so hat keep up with wants cool. That is how things work when you do not know what the tech can do. You just follow, which is basically what 90% of iphone users do. Then there is the droid crowd. Had to do a little teach session on the android forum. Talk about misinformed. WOW those guys really do not know anything. That stated android is open source and open source is where it is at and that is why palm and iphone are going down. Obviously they can they do not better themselves by looking to see if what they said was true. 1 part was but palm webos is open source. Needless to say a made quick work of the wannabes. Then they started resorting to name calling. So I decided to leave them alone since they can not debate facts. Really can anybody compare their phone to the pre. Nope I checked there are no contenders just hot air facts leading the blind droid and iphone crew.
Maemo will be out on the N900 by the middle of Nov, and it will do REAL full flash. Not the limited form the Palm and eventually iPhone, etc, will get.
And it multitaks fine.
actually the site ays 9.4 flash support. pre will have full flash 10.1 by the beginning of the year.
"N900’s touchscreen is resistive" that is very old tech. you do not want a phone that has this. Very hard to surf the net are work the os. Very few smart phones have this. Even the android has capacitive screens. I would not buy that thing since I have done resistive screens and they are not user friendly.
here is a direct quote for a reviewer of the phone
"That said, the overall experience still wasn’t quite as fluid as the T-Mobile G1’s touchscreen, and no matter how much Makinen implored us not to get too hung up on the use of resistive rather than capacitive technology, the fact is it’s still not as good as other touchscreens on the market."
The bulk of smart phone function is the ease of interaction with the interface and resistive screen is outdated and not good enough.
link
http://mobilementalism.com/2009/09/14/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-the-bes...
And then your dream ended .. LOL .. You're funny to speak of needing a GED and then typing "ged" .. and an abysmal lack of needed punctuation. Even my iPhone auto-corrects ged to GED automatically ... oh that's right, Pre doesn't have spell check
Go away, very far away.
i have a computer to spell check not for blogging. LOL dude are you a girl or no you are a pretty boy. while we have a pretty boy with his iphone dreaming of driving a vw bug are we?
You should go blow steve jobs and thank him for your auto-correct its the only way a true apple fan boy can properly thank they're god. OOPS my auto correct in Windows is telling me its God. Shit thank God i'm fucking stupid, and i have windows to help me through the hard times. Get the fuck out here and go jerk off to OS X.
you're the man!
your the man? really. i feel like i am in high school. get a life maybe a better paying job. or better yet make something of yourself. because you followed the teenagers and picked yourself an iphone. You have a smart phone?
OK Derek, I'm going to try commenting on this again. I hope it doesn't get stuck in the auto-despammer again...
Your point about Palm losing it's prominence in the market is right on. The Droid and other phones are what's new and exciting. For Palm to get back that visibility, they need the "PRE-II" at CES, and it needs to be some exciting new hardware, and WebOS needs to continue to develop to make it all they need it to be.
The drop in their stock is a refelction of the fickle investors (and commission hungry brokers) that look at all that and say no excitement=sell. IMO, they are idiots.
I've been impressed with Palm's financials and management style this year. Short term, the stock is going to plummet because of the afore mentioned idiots. Long term, Palm is going to do very well; better than most can possibly imagine.
Oh yeah, and whatever phone they have at CES '10 needs to be available about 3 weeks later, not 5 months. Lag to market is a terrible thing to play with in high stakes business.
Palm doesn't even need a Pre II, they need WebOS 2.0 And it needs to be HUGE! It needs to perform much faster, it needs more APIs so that the Apps can be better w/o NEEDING to run Native code.
I'm a Pre owner, bought one at Launch, and I'll admit, I'm pissed. I'm looking at the Hero, and the CliQ, and the Droid, and... I feel like, i wasted my money. When I can't log into my IM w/o killing my battery, When i wait for my calendar to animate... All the intuitiveness gets killed by it's own sluggish performance. And there is NO excuse for this! The iPhone 3GS clicks along BEAUTIFULLY on the Same hardware. And android shows as much lag, while NO android phone currently out matches the specs of the Pre.
The Pixi needs to be Palm's last hardware platform and they need to focus ALL their effort on WebOS. Palm is doing great.. and they are in tune with the users like the other two arent.. but the work on WebOS is moving at the pace of Windows Mobile...
As soon as the Pixi is out, Palm needs to focus on a few KEY items.
a. WebOS Performance.
b. WebOS APIs
c. Courting Developers of Commercial apps. Tell them WHY WebOS is the device they need their apps on. Why don't Bank Of America, Ebay, and Amazon have WebOS ports of their apps yet? All the BofA app is, is a portal to their website. That could be built on WebOS in a day! Gamefly, Gamestop.. hell I considered starting a development house myself, just for the sake of courting these commercial developers and offering to make WebOS ports of their apps.
d. Multiple Carriers. First VZW, then the GSM variant.
After Those are taken care of, And we see WebOS 2.0 at CES 10, Then should Palm start making moves towards the PreII
You make some good points that I agree with. The problem right now, hardware-wise (and remember that I am framing this within the context of Palm's stock price; i.e. what does Palm need to do to raise the stock price [which may or may not be the best business decisions]) is that the other phones(iphone, droid) have similar (better?) hardware, but also utilize the hardware better, and have more apps available, etc. Even if Palm comes out with WebOS 2.0 with all-of-our-dreams-come-true functionality and enhancements, but they still have the Pre with less storage, and a 3MP camera, they are not going to create excitement with investors (that is, those same idiots I refered to earlier.)
If Palm couples WebOS 2.0 with some exciting improvements to the hardware which make it stand out above the others, they will generate that excitement again.
And think about it: we're talking about 6 month life cycles here. The majority of the RD on the Pre was done in '08. If they don't have something new up their sleve now, 18 months later, they might be in big trouble a year from now.
Just in case they are listening, the new hardware would be sweet if it had (IMO) a slightly larger but thinner slider form with a capacitive keyboard (get rid of the gummy keys and give us more room) maybe replace the all-too-fragile glass screen with polycarbonate, a shock resistant case, faster and more efficient processor/gpu, 8MP auto-focus camera, 32Gb internal AND a micro-SD slot, stereo speakers, Wimax, and Wifi-n. Put all that with the killer improvements to WebOS you mention, and then there's something that the market will get excited about...and me too!
Before you buy any phone think long and hard. Do you want a phone that is old tech (iphone) and the only reason you buy it because your friends have one. Or do you want to be the first phone that will impress your friends and will than likely be the standard after people realize its functionality. When the palm pre was released, it was only meant for business persons. The main reason there were complaints because the phone was bought by people who did not need the pre's functionality and expected a iphone feel. Do not get me wrong. Iphone made the scene and they brought a lot to the table. Now, however, they have not progressed & they have locked out possible functionality because of greed. It reminds me when I was a pc guy (ever since I finished with the vic 20 and commodore 64) but then I changed to mac. Win 7 was the last windows operating system I used because it is just crap (even though more people use windows does not mean it is good - mac is definitely better now). I still use xp for some of my older programs. Just like the iphone was good then but now it just does not meet the standard (more like a teenagers phone now). If you are still using the iphone, then your just letting life pass you by. Once the palm pre gets the flash 10 working on the phone, then it will be more of a dual purpose professional/teenager phone. I can see teenagers playing flash games on the pre while also listening to music, looking at flash trailers of movies while there out with there friends to see what they will watch after a test/dinner, etc. I speculate that once flash hits the mobile pda/netbook/phone market, palm pre will surely be the winner. The droid will run flash just like the winmo phones -> very very slow if your multitasking flash. See example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a47Z-A81HOU. If they used the droid phone to show off flash the same way -> the film would have been laughable (droid does semi multitasking and definitely can not multitask resource hog programs like flash). Droid definitely would have either crashed or your system would start to look like it is in slow mo. If you have a winmo phone you probably know what I mean when i say slow mo. Check out the ash demo on the toshiba 1ghz snapdragon wino phone he could only demo one app and since wino is basically the same build type as android you can basically extrapolate how android will act with flash (but slower since the snapdragon is faster than the new processor placed in the motorola droid). If you want a very good phone, then get a palm pre because in the near future I suspect everyone else will be using the pre if they can weather the misinformation about the phone. PS Do not look at megapixels when you are deciding on your phone pic. 3 vs 5 megapixels will not produce a difference. If you want great pictures then get an slr camera not a camera phone. And if you want great video get an hd camcorder instead of using your phone. Soon palm pre will be able to get vid recording for your youtube pages. Android is just winmo with a different name (hefty, slow and truly untested on its multitasking statement but we will see it fall flat when tested with flash this year).
The only reason that iphone has been around is because it is a phone built around teenager habits with a little business function in it. If you look at webos, then you will see that it is a better match for netbooks. Once flash comes out the battery drain that it will produce on the google os will make it a weaker candidate for the netbook market versus webos. Also once flash comes out for the palm pre, we will see that palm will be able to take a good piece of the teenager iphone market with free flash games instead of paid for iphone apps. The future is here and webos is definitely the winner. Like i said android is just winmo with a different name. You guys need to test the true power comparison of the phone. i am no talking about processor power. Everybody knows that mac can startup, shutdown faster than the comparable pc with similar hdd, ram, vid card, processor. The os is the true decider of speed and functionality. Please test flash running in multiple applications (pre vs droid vs winmo). That will give you true insight. Flash dominates the media market and if the advertising market wants more viewer time then they need to push for more flash on phones. Especially the palm pre phone since it is the best suited phone for the demands of flash currently. But lets see what the test show.
PS If you guys are truly at the tech forefront then you will see that this as a definite task that needs to be performed.
Please, if you're going to write something so long, we need more paragraph breaks! A lot of people won't even read a huge block of text. Just hit return twice and viola ... whitespace.
Whitespace: Not just a Good Idea. :)
yeah, I skipped everything he wrote.
obviously you are portorikan probably can not speak english. que? no hablo ingles
I think its simply just hard to read huge blocks of text without going mildly blind, but then again, who needs paragraphs?
Also, I'm Puerto Rican and am writing English correctly while using my Pre's keyboard. What were you trying to imply?
I stopped after he said the Pre was a 'business phone'!
so what is a business phone to you since you are so omniscient? Please try to come back with debate facts not opinions. It becomes very boring ad nobody learns. if you have facts then present them. Do not sit there and make worthless comments.
Well, Palm's own SEC disclosures and marketing communications to their sales force (via Sprint) clearly state that the Pre is not a business phone and should not be marketed to business class users.
You can find the marketing copy on this Web site and the SEC docs. at www.sec.gov.
Enjoy!
Boy are you miss informed. You guys are so very angry at the iPhone's success, that you delude yourselves into thinking it's the worst phone and the Pre is so much better. What you fail to recognize is that any phone maker can ad features to a phone in an attempt to out do the competition. Once leadership has been established, however, adding features won't be enough to take it to the top. If the Pre is to be truly successful, then Palm needs to be original and create it's own experience. Copying the features that the iPhone established; then adding a few extras and calling it original won't do. Consumers aren't stupid! They know a copy when they see it.
The iPhone is more than the hardware. It's also the experience. Something the Pre can't copy.
Pre's true multitasking experience is pretty awesome. Does that count?
Multitasking is nice, but not enough. The iPhone also multitasks, but it's not available to third parties. At least not yet. What will the Pre claim when Apple enables full multitasking? You do realize it is there, and all it will take to enable it is a firmware update from Apple? Can the Pre stand on its own? What will be its claim? How will it differentiate itself when all future devices have the same features? The Pre just doesn't have enough originality to unseat the iPhone... And depending on iTunes for synching! What kind of experience is that for Pre owners? Droid is just around the corner and it won't be good for Pre sales. Palm needs to do something...
ok multitasking has been around since winmo. if you have played with other phones you will realize almost any phone can multitask. do your point is mute. know multitasking resource hog programs like flash is a different story. iphone will not even have flash so you will be out of the loop for the full internet experience. So your iphone is out of the race. Now onto the droid it will be able to do flash but the pre can multitask flash (multiple flash pages open at once) too bad droid you can not do that. One more thing flash owns the market for multimedia on the net (80%). so your lose. I can use doubletwist but i do not care for itunes much anyway.
anything you want to debate.
one thing the other supposed smart phones do not realize is the next step. which is full internet connectivity. people want here and now not big gigabyte and big megapixel cameras. they want the net (tons of terabyte of info). they want everything the net can offer. netbook is the initial step but really we will end with netbook function on your phone. the transition is on (flash is the final step). just like when pda and transitioned into smartphones -> you will see netbook and smartphones combine. but that is the future you are still in the past. aka iphone.
Good luck with your battery life with all that Flash multitasking. How long will you be able to surf the net? Your 80% is meaningless if the device Flash usage is draining the battery. Double Twist is slooow. All this adds up to a bad user experience when using the Pre. Also, have you heard of HTML 5? Flash's days may be numbered for online video when it gets wide acceptance. You may not agree, but user experience is very important and Apple sees to it that its users are taken of. Superior product with superior care equals a winning product-- and Apple is winning. Care to debate that?
probably should do your research on html 5 here is a direct quote fromwiki
"The ideas behind HTML5, originally referred to as Web Applications 1.0, were pioneered in 2004 by the WHATWG; HTML5 incorporates Web Forms 2.0, another WHATWG specification. The HTML5 specification was adopted as the starting point of the work of the new HTML working group of the W3C in 2007. This working group published the First Public Working Draft of the specification on January 22, 2008.[4] The specification is an ongoing work, and is expected to remain so for many years, although parts of HTML5 are going to be finished and implemented in browsers before the whole specification reaches final Recommendation status"
So while you wait 2 yrs for something similar to flash I will have it the beginning of this 2010.
Also I can change my battery oops sorry you do not know anything about that.
Yeah, you will need to do that often, won't you? And how much will it cost? Hahahahaaaaa... I had a RAZR and the battery cost at least $40 to replace. I had to do it a few times a year. This whole replaceable battery option does have a downside.
actually have 3 batteries and a battery charger for $20 total new. look on ebay. knowledge is power. come again
Yeah, my point exactly and you will need all three.
see one thing you do not understand is that when you charge your battery when it is at 20% it kills the life of the battery. there is no special apple batteries. they are all made in china or japan from the same factories. See I let my battery drain to 0 then I slip in a new battery. That simple. The batteries are small and then I put the discharged battery in the external charger. Forget to charge the phone the day before, there is no reason to forget to charge the phone because there are fully charged batteries waiting to be used. just slip it in your pocket and your off. change the battery when you need too but if you see 20% and you need to go somewhere fast, i guess you are out of luck hopefully you do not need to call someone. See how life is simpler without the iphone?
Technically, you want to fully charge and fully discharge the battery 3 times. After that initial break-in period... you want to keep the battery topped off. That is just the nature of li-ion batteries when it comes to breaking them in and using them day-to-day.
Life is simpler because of the iPhone. Don't get it Double Twisted. Hahahahaaaaaaaa... On average, I charge my 3GS three times a week. Sometimes only twice and usually at night. All that battery changing you do, I'd imagine several times a day, just adds to the complication. My device simply works. My original iPhone is still going strong on the original battery. How many batteries will you go through over the life of your device? I will need only one. Palm's been in the phone business a lot longer than Apple and yet it seems they've just started. What happened to all those years of experience?
come on I own an ipod touch which is the same battery. If you are wondering, I did not buy it. It came with my educational discount. The battery is nothing special. In reality I can use my pre much longer than the ipod touch. Since you do not have a pre you can not debate the facts. Try again.
My fiancée owns a Pre and I have to deal with her issues. She's PC I'm Mac...She's Pre I'm iPhone. We have have fun debating the choices. She also has a touch and uses it for music, games, movies, Podcasts and apps. Additionally, she uses Skype on her touch to call her family in Barbados. I personally think she would have been better served by the iPhone. The Pre is a battery hog plain and simple. It's build quality doesn't compare to the first iPhone or the current. She's on her third. But build quality aside, the thing is slow. I've offered to pay the early termination fee and get her a 32 GB iPhone 3 GS. She has agreed to accept the offer, but wants to give the Pre another month or so. She's a tough nut to crack, but the Pre experience has been frustrating. How's that for trying again?
Whatever guy but when you can deal with the truth test it out. Iphone is just not good anymore. It is ok but really old tech. I guess you believe the apple lies. I can tell because when you said bluray is a slow adopt, I knew I was wasting my time. think for yourself & try not to just follow. Do what you feel is best but really why are you on a pre blog site? I really do not care what is on iphone blog sites because most of those guys just follow apple like droids. Very mechanical. I went on an droid site so that I can spread the truth but then the starting name calling so I left those guy alone after I basically ripped up their entire concept of the droid phone. Personally I remember my days with winmo and then I test the palm system and I have not turned back. Was about to falter and get an htc winmo only so that I can do some semi web surf but I could not pull myself to do. Those days with winmo were very cluncky and slow. Droid reminds of the winmo days. Looks good with a bunch of specs like higher mp cam but really it is just an empty shell. Also coming out on several phone types is an exact duplicate of what winmo did a few years ago. It is the same car and car parts with a different name. Nothing has changed except for the name.
Get what you want but do not cry when you do not predict what you will need as you develop your smart phone skills. Apps are old school. The net in full is the future. Droid claims it gives you the entire net with a pleasurable experience but it is no the truth. The only phone that can give you the net in full with a pleasurable experience is the palm pre. Iphone or symbian can not give you the net in full. Droid may give you the net in full but the experience will not be pleasurable due to how the droid os is modeled. Droid can multitask regular web pages but not multimedia web pages like the palm pre.
Yeah right, the Pre is just a lousey attempted copy of the iPhone and you just can't deal with that fact. It's a copy down to the former Apple employees. It's getting its ass handed to it by the iPhone and next the Droid. You've obviously had too much of the Palm juice to admit that it's a losing battle for Palm who's about to be rendered irrelevant in the mobile phone space.
I came to this site originally to find answers for my fiancée and her annoying Pre, but started participating in the discussions in defense of the iPhone. That simple.
If you honestly think I'm wrong about Blu Ray adoption; then I understand why you also purchased the Pre.
Here's a prediction. In the future there won't be hardware keyboards. Apple leads the way, again, leaving the Pre and its old tech further behind. As I type this message, I can move my phone from portrait to landscape and the keyboard changes. I can change my keyboard to anyone of several languages. Try that with your Pre.
I think I'll take a break and play some games; let's see should I play Real Racing, Madden NFL 10 or should I go download something new from the app store. This is Real software for a real operating system on a superior phone. Not for a Web based OS that can't handle the demands of real 3D apps. I could even launch Metal Detector Pro to show off the built in magnetometer/compass. Maybe I'll shoot video instead and edit it with the new app, Reel Director right on my phone. You know I can also download that new movie release, Orphan, from the iTunes store and watch it instead. Ohh, This is It, the Michael Jackson movie is available for pre order in the iTunes store. Think I'll get it. I can do so much more with my iPhone than you can imagine on the Pre. The Pre is not in the same league.
First off your apple iphone is junk and your computer science major (probably some small community college in the middle of no where) is probably junk as well. Dude get over yourself. You are retard. Keep dreaming about your iphone and get off the board. You should not be next to a pre and might burn out the few neurons that your little brain has. Seriously business machine does not equal mac sorry for the reality check for you fortune 500 companies run windows. If you had gone to a good computer science school you probably would learned that. But what can you say -> probably out a job since macs do not make cents, dollars, or anything worth noting in the business sector. Do not come back talking about how some small music companies use mac. Dude you are sad go back to your iphone board because we are talking over your head here. Hard to learn new things when you are a follower because you depend on others to do your work instead you knowing how to do your own work. Compass & games? I am about business -> not about toys if you want a toy get an iphone you proved your point. Nice I see where you are going with this - want a toy with gadgets that do not do really do much of anything get an iphone want to be part of the business sector/ want to get things done that matter get the palm pre. If all you want to say is that we are the innovators all day instead of showing off something that will make your life easier get an iphone (nice flashy status symbol for people who do not know tech) or do you want to say that I have a phone that does this , this & this (palm pre) o well your phone does not do that how sad -> get the palm pre.
First off...learn to write! It's a pain to read your entries. Hahahaaaaa. If you're in college; then it must not be a very good one or you must be at the bottom of your class. I just picture you writing a memo to your coworkers and it gets sent back to you with corrections. Hahahaaaaa. A little mastery of the language would win you more credibility.
As for me...How about a degree from University of Pennsylvania, I won't say what year, and currently employed at NASA for a start? I'm a very smart guy who likes to keep it real. I only mention my accomplishments when I have to. Now you are immature and in denial and not aware of either. I do things with systems that go beyond the Mac or the PC and your knowledge. So tone down your childish rantings about your limited knowledge of business systems, brat! And since when is the Pre a business phone? You must live in a bubble at the edge of a cliff. Grow up! Individuals like you bring shame to the very devices they defend. You can't win this argument, son! So all that dribble you let slip out shows I hit a nerve. I've got to you now! And you're on the defensive like a trapped rodent. Keep coming back and I'll keep beating you down with the facts. You're dealing with the big boys. This is a big boy world and your little Pre is getting the crap beat out of it...Your little arguments are easily dismissed just like you.
In conclusion, I'm not affraid to debate over the phones and welcome your response, however juvenile. I keep my professional life separate when I'm in these forums. No need to get too technical. I work with systems that you've never heard of and probably never will. So back up!
And there's one more thing...
"'There is growing evidence that the iPhone is making inroads into the Enterprise,' writes Deutsche Bank research analyst Chris Whitmore in a report to clients Monday," Philip Elmer-DeWitt reports for Fortune.
"By his estimates, Apple by the end of the year will have shipped about 2 million iPhones into corporate accounts through various routes, including internal IT department purchases and formal reimbursement policies," Elmer-DeWitt reports.
Elmer-DeWitt reports, "That would give Apple about a 7% share of the enterprise smartphone market this year, up from 2% in 2008."
Not really. All the other phones multitask as well and the target consumer does not know the difference or care about it.
you are right they do not care but when you try loading a few flash pages the average user will feel the difference thus palm pre will win. Droid vs pr in real full net (flash) -> pre wins hands down it is not even a match.
really experience? try google searching the skit from saturday night live Jizz in my pants -> is that what happens when you get an iphone in your hand? Seriously I do not deal with emotions when I talk about a phone. I talk functionality/productivity/business. Sorry I really do not get emotional when I hold me pre. But for Each his own. Maybe you need a woman in your life and put the iphone down. It is not good to worship material objects (iphone) but maybe for you that is your deity.
'Seriously I do not deal with emotions when I talk about a phone." Hmmmm, you're response seems pretty emotional to me...maybe even angry, huh? Let's see how'd you react if the jizz got all over your Pre.
dude do not jizz on my pre that is your cup of tea. do not cry. go hug you iphone for the emotional support.
enough with the small talk now lets talk facts. after you stop crying come back with some facts do not have time to deal with your whining
Apple is winning! Palm is losing! How are those for facts?
not for long. you will see. The only reason apple made it was due mainly to their teenage appeal. Once you get a smart phone that can serve the entire net in full -> the teenagers will follow. Apple serves the youth but the full internet is more appealing to the youth than the iphone. They will jump ship once they see it in action. 2010 it will start. Are you ready? He we go.
Will Palm be around in 2010? Teenagers grow up and the impression will stay with them into their adult lives. That will make choosing the Apple product more likely. Besides, Apple's demographic is in the late 20s to 30s. Those are the ones that can afford the device and the AT&T contract. Don't delude yourself. Besides, Apple was the first to create a full browser experience on a smart phone, and continues to be the leader. That latest data shows that iPhone users dominates this space. HTML 5 will improve on that for online video content. Flash is too resource heavy and not practical for these devices. Some, like Palm will jump to implement it, but in the long run i think it will be a mistake.
if that is what you think. to bad you are wrong. but we will see. html 5 is going nowhere just like windows version of flash. Until it is made then say something. It has not even been demoed yet. Flash has already set itself to work on smartphones. The adobe will win the multimedia on the net. just like bluray with movies. but apple delays their customers. why is there no bluray for the apple system? because it goes against the apple plan. do you think blu ray is dead too?
I don't think Blu Ray is dead, but its acceptance has been slow. Part of that has been cost, but also online movie streaming. I've purchased and rented several HD movies and see no need for a Blu Ray player, yet. Why do you need a Blu Ray player? It's not a deal breaker for me. I'm still getting that 27" iMac. HTML 5 is demonstrated on the new install of Safari. It's the introductory screen. Apple also streams the their conferences in HTML 5. I don't think I'm wrong about HTML 5 and Adobe also realizes this. Flash 10 for smart phones (except the iPhone) is their response. They really want to be implemented on the iPhone more than the others, because more users surf the net using the iPhone.
so you are telling me netflix, walmart, blockbuster are wrong. Wow now we are going over board. Seriously you can not believe that. Stream high def. You take down the ISP with all that traffic. University can barely handle people downloading divx movies and mp3 are the massive lines that I think greater than t1 speed. Dude html 5 is a fake just to push off adobe (just are just using some tags but nothing major or on the realm of flash). not happening anytime soon (at least for multimedia).
I have a mac mini and macbook pro and unibody macbook but no way would I go with jobs on that. Bluray is here. Stream is not the future yet (several years) lets get more high speed net for everybody before we start thinking streaming multimedia. 50 inch screen with streaming multimedia and dts no way. That why I have a few xp systems on the side.
One more thing about html 5, which it will not become reality. They state it will run multimedia without downloading codecs or requiring initiation. Once the html load the multimedia loads as well. Great for hackers but not for me. Currently I can restrict 2ndary apps from the net that are separate from javascript. With html 5 once you enable javascript there is no way to block the 2ndary app. So now you do not need to target windows alone. You can hit windows mac and any other os standardized for html 5 in one swoop. Thank you ms, google and apple for the instability. It is a no go. currently II limit my javascript and a lock out all 2ndary apps unless I am on legitimate sites like youtube. You do not hear about these problem but they exist. Do a google search on adobe acrobat back door. Something as simple as a pdf file can create a backdoor on your system and you would never know it. So currently I only see that flash will predominate since it is totally separate for the html code. Thus you can restrict it. Not so with the currently preposed html 5 protocol.
Go easy, man. I like your systems especially the Mac Pro. I have one too. I'm not saying that Blu Ray won't catch on eventually, but for now the cost is an issue with consumers, and once the cost drops then I think it will get wider acceptance. This happened with the Playstation 3. Now that Sony lowered the price, it's beat out the Wii in sales for the first time. In the mean time some are contented with the online option and that may also cost Blu Ray some customers. And you can't discount iTunes movie offerings. The future of media my be all online.
Again, I think HTML 5 will be a competitor to Flash and potentially displace it. Like Flash, there are some security issues, but those will be dealt with proactively.
kingcobra2010,don't waste your time on this guy,you're too high tech for him.He is an iphone fanboy and shouldn't be on this pre community anyway! iclarified and iphone in canada that's where he belong.Shoooo, go away, far far away and choke on your iphone.Buy a Pre and then come back or else go away, far far awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!
My phone is a Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Hopefully, kingcobra can make up his own mind and you can maybe, move on...
AT&T has U-Verse, an Internet based TV service. As for HTML 5, we'll see.
ok i looked it at it and html 5 is not really doing anything with multimedia. It is a big hopla for nothing. If it were something I would state it is something. i will not deny facts. HTML 5 is nothing now and will be nothing for a couple of year. There is no other way I can put it. Very few web pages may have it but not many. Just like a few web pages have optimized smartphone pages but the entire net does not have smartphone optimized pages.
2010 we will have it Palm PRE the first SMART-NETPHONE (NETPHONE just does not have a ring to it thus the smart was added).
So what will the designation do for the Pre? Think it's enough to propel it to the top? I doubt it will do much for the platform. By then it will be time for Apple to introduce the next version of the iPhone. Saw what happened with the 3 GS? Demand is still outstripping suppy. The demand for the Pre has already peaked and is on its way down.
Sprint is still losing subscribers and its churn rate is high according to its latest financials. AT&T is seeing gains because of the iPhone. The management team, made up of former Apple employees, still hasn't turned things around for Palm. Give it time and investors will start losing faith in the company.
Apple doesn't follow. It leads. If it embraces HTML 5 you can be sure there's a future for the standard. Unlike Apple, no one cares what Palm does next. I read a while back that CEOs of competing companies worry about what Steve Job sees that they don't.
"There is not another phone on the market that can do what the pre can do which is serve you the net in full (flash and all) while you do other things on the phone."
Umm, maybe you need to read more about Droid. "Droid does simultaneous apps".
And the Droid will get Flash 10 the same time the Pre gets it: in 2010.
iPhone users are able to carry on a conversation, browse the web, check email (the core functions) at the same time. Now if you say that iPhone doesn't allow third party apps to multi-task you'd be correct.
Droid will get flash. But while i have flash loaded on more than 2 pages on my pre you will be stuck with one flash web page. You try to load the same number of flash pages that the pre has and your droid will freeze. The droid can not handle it because of google built its os. It is not due to processor power since they have the same processor. the google android os was never meant to handle multitasking of resource hogs like flash in multiple . Pre however can handle multiple flash programs as witnessed in the youtube video. do a google search for adobe palm or adobe toshiba snapdragon (this version will be comparable to the new gogle motorola droid coming out)
umm maybe you need to really check your droid phone instead reading what it says. Your winmo imatator phone can not multitask flash. But you would not know that since you have not done your research. Now if you want me to make you look like the misinformed person that you are. Ask. Please look up your information before you write something.
you really know your stuff and i am glad that i can appreciated my Pre now.I do have a iphone 3G, you're correct about the iphone,it is so tedious to change from 1 application to another after using the Pre for 5 weeks.(Iphone 3G for 9 mths)i do see the difference.Like my iphone is out of date and it like to freeze alot.(i called it a iphone freezer)I'll be looking out more for your reply (in defence) to any of the misinformed people who write about the Pre.Btw,can i say the Pre is more user-friendly?My knowledge of, about Smartphone has increase 10 folds.
Thank you Kingcobra2010.
Derrick Its amazing how fickle you can be!!!! Stocks can go down with no news or reason. IF the s and p futures go down they tend to take the whole market down. I called PALM and they said nothing has changed. Palm is on the right path. Ceo #1 who has succeeded everywhere he has gone. He helped turn around apple and with that experience he is doing the same with palm. With the extra money they raised in the secondary and upgrade with the rating it cost them less money to borrow. With the extra cash they can make the right business decisions. They keep hiring the best engineers and just today the guy from AMD They started from scratch -new operating system and now 2 new phones.....rome was not built in one day.....why does everyone only mention sprint. Palm is in europe now as well!!!!! I think Mr Rubenstein has it internal drive to prove everyone that he was responsible for the apple turnaround. And let me tell you this doubters are the best motivators
you're so right!why do you think Mr Rubenstein keeps on updating the i-tunes? I think just to remind apple that he is still around and so is the Palm Pre.
Ok iphone retard. Lets see your iphone get flash. while your sit at home with jobs version of the net, I will the full version of the net.
Like any boxing fight, your oponents will land blows that will weaken you, and the Droid is one heavy blow but Palm has the leadership team to absorb and respond. So this is not the time to panic because some bloggers are drooling over droid.
nicely put!
I do expect Palm to release a side-slider to be their 3rd device... but that's too far from now.
Android 2.0 hasn't really released anything so terribly special. It's no WebOS, alright.
Could you imagine WebOS on a side-slider like the Droid? Or what about WebOS on a tablet-like phone that protects the screen and keyboard, and when closed the non-tablet way reveals a traditional 10-digit dial pad with basic screen so that N00Bs don't freak out when you hand then such a powerful device.
Personally, I hate side-sliders, and landscape keyboards aren't exactly my cup o' tea, either... but I'd definitely consider a tablet WebOS device. I really do hope that's their 3rd device. That would be such an awesome lineup that I'd probly invest in Palm stock for the long-term.
Don't lull yourself into thinking former Apple employees can save Palm. Palm is missing one main ingredient. Steve Jobs. He's the visionary behind Apple's success and simply taking former employees thinking they can do the same is a mistake. It won't work. The Droid is going to outsell the Pre. I think deep down, you know this. Brace yourself.
Steve jobs is a not a good visionary. If his future was followed we would still be in the 80s. That guy is clueless. I listened to his speeches and really he is not somebody I would pattern myself after. Nothing comes out of apple that is tech leading really. More like flashy but ho hum. The only reason i have an apple is because the comany is not a visionary and delays a lot of the newer tech until it has been out for years. It is like the turtle (apple) racing a rabbit (windows). Slow speed is safe and that is the only reason i pick apple. No way would I consider apple ahead of the curve. Do not be mistaken apple makes computer for the people but windows makes computers for businesses. Now you sound like somebody that only has one operating system os x and really do not have much of a clue about other things. You let apple do the thinking for you. I am in no way a mac fanboy, I have other operating systems that I use. I base what I use for its best fit. Mac is the best fit for the net since it is safer computer and it is not attacked as much. I use my windows xp system when I want to get things done. Know I am delving into ubuntu to see what it can do for me. I do not let the companies do the thinking for me. I pick the best fit and use it for the process at hand. I do not follow one company. My decisions are based on fact and research not what you guy say or what other lame reporters say. I have to test it myself to see what it is really worth. You can not say how a vet drives until you drive one (reading what others say about the drive just does not work not unless you want to be an fraud)
I guess you'd also have to go to the moon before you believe the astronauts, huh? Or get shot before you believe that it really hurts. Unlike you, I can use other people's accounts to help me make a decision and that's different from them making the decision for me. I'll never own a Bentley, but I feel l know how it feels to drive one through the journalist's account. I have a Harley VROD Night Rod Special just for the Record.
You at least chose the Mac which is smart. As a computer science major, I started out with a little OS called DOS. I later moved through various flavors of Windows. The first time I saw the original Mac and used it, I was sold. I've never purchased a PC. I much prefer to build my own. My choice is the Mac and that's my primary platform. I think that qualifies me as knowledgeable, don't you think?
Your remarks about Steve Jobs put you in the minority. Under his leadership, Apple has come back from the brink and that's not my opinion, as it's been clearly documented. It's his vision and leadership that's fueling innovation both within Apple and throughout the tech industry. Case in point, the Pre. Again, this is not my opinion, google it, and read for yourself. Right now the industry is putting their tablet plans on hold in anticipation of the rumored Apple tablet.
It is an analogy ever heard of that. dos? really building pc really? You do not sound like you have the potential. Come on you are making me laugh. Windows has had tablets out for 3 yrs now. You guys might have one next yr. Mac always behind. Bluray, driver support, finger print scanner, etc. come out behind again. You come out with multitouch that is mainly for entertainment. The program usually has a buttom to rotate the image already and really it provides little to now benefit. It is all marketing. Mac comes out with one idea for every 30 windows idea.
Yeah, the tablet PC has been around for years, but if you check the data, you'll find that it hasn't been a success, and the same for Blu Ray. So why would Apple want a part of that? Now, if they've found a way to make it work; then maybe it's time for its rebirth. Just because you offer it first doesn't mean it's useful. My fiancee's work Linovo laptop has a finger print scanner that the company finds buggy and doesn't support. My son's Dell laptop has face recognition that's unreliable for signing into his machine. All this advanced techology that's useless to the user. It's the same as the crapware that comes with every new PC. Only It's crap hardware.
As far as your comment about multitouch, what does that say about the Pre?
Palm -- like any public company -- cares the most what the stock is worth when they sell new stock and thus make the money from those shares. Once the stock has left a company's hands, the stock price doesn't really affect day-to-day operations of any public company. Yes, it reflects and it affects investors and other market observers, but a high stock price doesn't always mean the company is doing well. And a low stock price doesn't always mean a company is doing poorly.
Stock price can be driven by psychology as much as by facts. Too many people forget this and read Meaningful Information into each and every stock fluctuation.
If Palm can perform on their plan, then their stock price will go back up, no matter what is happening with the stock right now. If Palm cannot perform on their plan, then the price of the stock right now is irrelevant.
Only investors should be worrying about Palm's stock price right now, as it's Palm's ability or inability to perform that will be the success or failure of the Pre. Not the stock valuation.
the moral of this article. Stock is affected by MULTIPLE factors, it is NOT the determining factor of the phones success. Our Pre community seems to be growing larger and stronger with each passing day.
The moral of this story is that if Palm's stock hits $6 I'm buying as much as I can. But I recommend that all of you sell your Palm stack as fast as you can. =)
don not trust me check this link out- > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/videos/
the palm pre running full flash vs the toshiba (basically a winmo system but runsa flash slightly faster than droid because of its faster snapdragon processor). Even though the toshiba had a faster processor they would not test the device like the pre. Better yet thhat processor is faster than the new motorola processor = that will really some crapy flash surfing.
prove me wrong with something published
I believe that link pretty much speaks for itself. Nice job.
YUP... EVERYBODY SHOULD WATCH THIS!!
WebOS = WIN
that is the motorola droid processor (similar to the pre and the iphone). So it is all in the os not the processor. webos is a great os - google os and winmo and iphone/ipod are just ok operating systems. That is also one of the main reason people like new ubuntu (not me I like my mac & xp well one sytem does have the netbook ubuntu) because it can run on an pc that was present when 98 was out without a problem whereas win 7 or vista could not.
One more thing since you iphone people like to run with the crowd there is a little stat you need to know that jobs forgot to tell you -> more than 80% of the multimedia on the net is based on flash. OOPS cats out that bag. maybe you iphone fanboys can go to the android system, they can at least run one flash app at a time. Or you can face reality and just pick the best phone on the market PALM PRE.
We all know the stock market is a joke and that prices fluctuate and Government Sachs manipulates this BS market but this i do know I rather take my chances and put my money on those that have succeeded. I will buy more stock next week and if it were possible twice as much on sundays!!!!!!!!!! Derrick do me a favor jump back on the Palm bandwagon next week so my stock position can go back up!!! lol .....I do have to say I love this site.....Keep up the good work!!!!
Just let me know when palm stock hits 100 lol.......
Forget the bandwagon jumping. Let me know when Derek jumps in a lake.
you're so funny!lol'
Sure makes me glad I bought 100 shares @ $15.77 last week, 50 more @ $13.74 this week, and 50 more @ 12.25 today... (doesn't sound like much, but for a college student I've been a little depressed this last week to say the least :-p)
Hopefully the Droid has a weak launch and Palm rebounds.
Hey Derrick
Instead of comparing products can you do a comparison of management and historical success rate? I would appreciate this. Have a nice product doesn't mean anything to me. If management can't provide a successful business plan then company is due for failure. So how would u rate each company ceo cfo etc.....
how about as an employee? can u comment on what he has done at apple, HP etc
He hasn't been a CEO for very long, but he's been the one making decisions for Palm for years now. It's quite clear from his history with other companies that he has a skill like no other when it comes to turning around failing businesses. It's amazing what he did for Apple, and it's even more amazing what he has already done to Palm, much less what he WILL do for Palm -- make them profitable and put their WebOS operating system in the hands of AT LEAST ten million people by the time 2011 rolls around.
I cannot prove any causal relationship, but if adding missing features is as easy as Palm claimed during the Sprint Developer Conference, then WHY IN HECK ARE THEY NOT ALREADY ADDED BY NOW???
PAAAAALM! What in heck have you been doing?
Perhaps you should tell us the HUNDREDS of changes that they've already made on the Pre. Then tell us the changes they've made to the SDK. Then tell us what the company is doing to release real hardware APIs for the developers.
Then come back and tell me that voice dialing or text forwarding is far more important than a solid foundation of WebOS. OK?
People act like nothing has been done to WebOS since June 6, 2009. Check out the release notes with each version and you'll see there are "show stoppers" that needed taking care of before the big features are released (video recording, text forwarding, etc.) in a couple months. With the AMD guy hired recently, I'd expect WebOS to offload it's pretty graphic stuff to the GPU in about 6 months. Good thing I just bought my Pre now. It's really fast enough as it is... but when the GPU is actually in use (it's in there for a reason, mind you), the Pre will be like a whole new phone. And I might not even want to upgrade in 12 months even tho I'll be able to get "new customer pricing" at that point in time. Just depends, but Palm is doing everything they need to be doing.
It's amazing that people don't realize Palm doesn't even have 1,000 employees. I think that they're finally getting the idea that they need to hire more people, and they're hiring true geeks and not some lame dweebs. It's amazing what they've done with as few people as they have.
Agree......Jon Rubenstein for Prez and Steve Jobs for Vice.....lol
Note the following is not advice to buy or sell any stock only a description of what I did and think.
The current down trend of palms stock should be no surprise to regular investors. When there is so much activity in a fast paced tech market such as cell/smartphones large dips and huge spikes in price can and do happen. When I bought in at about $6 per share the stock dropped like I think it was over $2 per share. I practically freaked out thinking I just blew it. But because I knew that there would be a lot of spikes up and down due to the volatility of investing in a company that wasn't doing so hot in the long run it would pay off. If you look at the last 6 months of the stock price this is completely normal and will rise over time to probably right back to the $15 range where I sold at. I don't regret having sold it since I since then have invested that money elsewhere and gained more than if i had kept it to get the real high point it eventually went to. But any smart investor will know when to buy and when to sell and when to hold.
Heck I bought sprint stock and didn't sell when it hit a high of over $5. I am still holding the stock even though it dipped so much. Am I concerned that it has? Sort of but sprint has a good outlook. They are finally getting an edge with devices on their network, they are acquiring iPCS, they are staying at the lead with most value in service their new plans and features, and they are making active effort to continue to improve their customer service, and they aren't bleeding customers at an alarming rate any more. I may have to hold onto the sprint stock for a lot longer than I did with the palm stock to make anything from it but I also don't have a lot invested.
StoneRyno - That sounds like pretty good advice. I've moved my entire 401K into PALM based on your recommendation since you say you bought at $6 and sold at $15. Even more impressive is that your other investments have done even better. Clearly, you have a good feel for investing. Thanks for giving us some insight into your personal investment strategy.
I'm buying stock!
Some of the posts here are absolutely hilarious!
I don't own an iPhone and I don't own a PRE. I'm not on Sprint and I'm not on AT&T. My phone is 6 years old and just makes calls. I guess I really don't follow the crowd or run with the big dogs, but I know I'm going to be slammed for telling the truth...
In the great iPhone / PRE debate, I do find it a bit ironic that the CEO, excuse me, FORMER CEO of Palm Ed Colligan scoffed at Steve Job's iPhone saying and I'm paraphrasing, 'we've been doing this for years and some computer guys are not just going to come in...'!
Guess what Ed, some computer guy DID just come in... what does that say about your visionary ability?!
So, in order to have a "me too" product, this Ed fellow hires former Apple guy Rubinstein who then continues to steal er hire Apple talent so that a bunch of computer guys can show up Palms computer guys with a new phone and a new OS. And that Ed fellow dumps the original Palm OS. What's that say about all those earlier Palm devices?!
But now this former Apple fellow has to make the PRE pretend it's an APPLE product in order to sync and now there is a cat and mouse game every time Apple releases an iTunes update and PRE users say screw Apple and iTunes, and yet the Palm computer guys don't build their own method of syncing and ignore the rants of their product users. What does that tell you what PALM thinks for YOU! LOL!!
really come on with the silly statements there is double twist and it lets anyone sink to itunes. I really do not care for itunes but that is just me. People use itunes directly and that is what they want to give them since most of the people with smartphones do not use half of its functionality since they are not very computer literate. You can use double twist if you want to sync to itunes. doe that make you happy now get off the board. yo do not have a pre and you do not know much of anything. gets some knowledge about computers & smartphones then come back so we can really have a discussion.
You know what I have realized there are some people on this board that do not own a pre but have one of the other smartphones. I think they are scared of the pre. They should be because it is the future of smartphones. I understand you are just trying to protect your outdated phone technology. Do not fight it. Go with the pre because it will offer the net in full pretty soon. Too bad for those iphone and droid users.
Please kingcobra2010 educate this guy, the last time he saw a cell phone was 6 years ago?? need i say more??Lol'He's a DINOSAUR!! Tell him to go touch and try a Pre,i might add, he might just drop dead from what he been using all these years.Sorry dude!
My phone is a Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
PREcisely, you have no idea what you're talking about. Go watch Rubenstein's interview on the Engadget Show. He is the one that axed Foleo (Fooleo, heh) back in 2007, I believe. Rubenstein is the one that has been running the show for the past 2 years. He designed the Pre, which I couldn't have done better myself. No phone can compare to the overall form factor, feel, functionality of the device. Likewise, he designed WebOS. It's really a brilliant idea to just use javascript, css, etc. as your programming platform, because that's all I really use my computer for anyway. On my desktop, I've got instant messaging app, irc app, and Firefox open with about 70 tabs in it. The only non web-based app I have open is my music app. Rubenstein's decision to focus Palm's next platform around the web was frickin' BRILLIANT. The cards design was frickin' GENIUS. Rubenstein himself is a gold mine...
But none of that matters, because the Pre does everything I really need it to do in terms of practicality. The only thing it's missing, IMHO, is a barcode scanner... but that is something that could come with the release of the camera API. Dealert is a great enough WebOS as it is that my care for a barcode scanner is much less. Dealert is an AMAZING app, BTW. You guys should get it. It notified me of a website that had accessories for "up to 70% off with an extra 30% off when using discount code: palmpre30". I even bought a $1 game, Zombie Invasion, that is very pretty to show off for the kids.
Everybody who says the Pre can't do certain things is full of it. The Pre can do everything you need and more... but not if you're afraid to read PreCentral.net or ask questions.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Very well stated and so very factual.
I'm shorting PALM stock.. unfortunately I stopped out at 12.99 on thursday. I was happy until friday.. anyways - might just jump in to it again.. this stock has nowhere to go but down. this is just my opinion, not investment advice, but it I were you I'd short the shit out of this sucker.
That's a bloodbath. Good products don't mean good companies or good stocks.
Whomever says the palm will fall because GOOGLE has a lot of money and they can afford to lose a little. Well money did not help winmo take over iphone and it surely is not going to help google. Build a sloppy system and money can only help so much. Iphone can be called a smart phone but Palm Pre is the first net phone once flash becomes available for it 2010. So who wants to test drive a NETPHONE?
if Palm fails it will because their products don't impress enough people. Google having money isn't going to cause it. And Windows mobile didn't set out to beat the iphone. It's an enterprise solution for business people. Iphone was basically a consumer product trying to add enterprise features to enter the business phone space. Iphone hasn't ended RIMM either. What money does is allow you to make mistakes and not be harmed much. Palm doesn't have it and it can't afford mistakes. Plus Google makes it's money off advertising not phones, the same way Microsoft makes it's money off of business software much more then it's zune. Make no mistake about Apple though. It's ipod and iphone division is carrying it. Point is though, unlike Palm, all these other businesses are hugely profitable and several with multiple revenue streams. Palm really just has Pre and soon Pixie. Meaning it can't afford to make many missteps.
I'm with you that Palm can't afford to make any more mistakes. From what I can tell... the mistakes are done.
The only thing I dislike about my Palm Pre's build quality is the flippin' USB port cover. That's the only thing. Luckily, the port cover on the Pixi shows that they resolved that issue, as well as threw out the slider for those that aren't a fan of the Pre's form factor. There should be no build issues with the Pixi. And since it'll use the same WebOS as the Pre... most all of the bugs have been found.
The WebOS upgrade process is one of the biggest reasons I decided to stick with Palm and chose the Pre over Android devices. Upgrades on Android will be far and few between, mainly because of the splintering of different OS versions with different manufacturer UIs on different manufacturer handsets. Palm will be bringing parity between all devices on all carriers very soon. They are in it to win it.
By the way, Palm will not FAIL. Google and Apple have no effect on Palm's winning or losing. Businesses are institutions designed to make something from nothing. Palm has done that. Even if they sold no more Pres (which is not possible), they'll still make money from the accessories, like the Touchstone (which everyone should have), and they'll also make money from the App Catalog. There is more to their revenue than strictly the Pre. Then there's the Pixi... then there's other U.S. carriers... then there's foreign carriers. Palm's just now getting started, and I'm very glad I chose them over an Android device. There is nothing that compares at all to the Palm platform (in terms of BOTH actual phone hardware and phone OS). But definitely telling your friends will help WebOS spread quicker. If you want more web-apps developed... tell your friends. Personally, I'm content with what all has been discovered at PreCentral, and it will take me a couple months before I can truly tweak my Pre to my liking... and then the final version of Flash Mobile 10.1 will be released, and everybody will truly be jealous of me at that point, ESPECIALLY the iPhone fanb0yz.
I'm no stock expert and this is only my opinion. But I've never given a 2nd thought to Sprint for mobile service. I had been a Tmo customer for about 5 yrs and I got a G1 for my birthday back in January. Well my contract came to an end last month and the Pre' caught my eye from those retarded commercials so I did some research and I liked pretty much everything about it. So I went out and demoed it at a Sprint store (I wore a Snuggie to hide my identity to any that might see me approaching the store...luckily it worked!) Well I walked out with a Pre - it's THE best phone I have ever owned. It's UI is gorgeous and its so versatile! I've read the complaints about it feeling a little rickety but if you've ever owned a G1 this is a non issue...and it's not nearly as bad either. I've owned a jail broken iPhone and I loved it but I was bored with the design and UI. I still can't take my eyes off of the Pre'...it's such a fun and eye catching phone. Well I guess the point of this literary work is that to me its been the Sprint brand name that nearly made me think twice about owning a Pre'. I feel that if Palm doesn't make a solid move to a GSM network they may be in trouble. It's not that Sprints service is bad but has a bad rap, for whatever reason. In my case its been word of mouth. But I can sit here and say that I have never been more pleased with a cellular service. My bill is cheaper, I have a great reception, I have way more for much less moo-la, and the data speed blows away what I've been used to. Thanks for reading all!
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