Doc31 in our forums got his mitts on a Palm Pre on the sly and has sent in a short video. Basically what you're looking at here is the initial set up screen for creating your Palm Profile. From the looks of the quick video, it gives you a quick option to call into Sprint Customer service if the screen confuses you. We've seen mention of the Palm Profile in various leaks and the Palm Pre Box Materials. In the comments on that last post, gollyzila kindly provided us with a translation about the Palm Profile:
To utilize your Palm Pre phone, you must accept the terms and conditions of Palm and create A PALM PROFILE - by introducing an active email address. [...]A Palm profile lets you access services such as automatic backup of your data and much more.
Doc31 also kindly posted up his impressions of the device as well. Check out his post for the whole skinny, but here's our favorite bits:
This thing feels GREAT. SOLID but kind of organic, its kind of hard to explain but it feels GREAT [...] Very simple the best slider I have ever felt. When open its like a expensive knife when the handle is balanced with the blade, or maybe its just because it rest in my palm well. [...] Also I just wanted to say the OS as a whole looks amazing. It just feels fresh and new and I promise a lot of people will be impressed with just the call screen alone.
Big ups to you, Doc31! Heck, he's even making some sweet sweet PreCentral.net wallpapers - real smartphones do indeed multitask, sir! Be sure you check out his post for more photos of the Pre!
Quick shakycam video after the break -- here's what your in-call screen will look like, folks!
Comments
NOOOO! A 12 sec video? seriously!?!?!? Most up more detailed videos, Doc31!!!!!!!!!
Viral. What do you expect in a viral?
I can't wait for a more in-depth review!!!
Just give me the darn phone already. This is ridiculous that I have to watch other people using the device hand on for kicks at this point. This "thing" better not suck!!!
Looks great!
GAAAH IM ON THE FRONT PAGE!!!! Oh it's gollyzila (with one "l" in "zila"). It's okay though, everyone makes that mistake.
How did he get the phone?!?! And why couldn't he film more?!?!?!
The reason he can't show more is because each of these videos is carefully selected and presented by Palm itself - it's marketing hype intended solely to get the potential customer worked up over a new phone that offers nothing new (slide out keyboard? Wow! cloud-syncing abilities? OMG! Touch-screen? Unbelievable!)
While I do hope the Pre will do well, I seriously doubt that the carefully controlled corporate hype will be fulfilled when the device is released.
one word for you sir... Boo
carefully control corporate hype - you got to be kidding.
I agree.... abooooooo
Another "anonymous" iPhone fanboy dork trying to deter people from buying the phone by telling people Palm is failing or going to fail or that "the phone offers nothing new". What bs you are full of dude!
Why is he a fanboy for noting that these are probably controlled and vetted releases?
I don;t see the word "fail" by the commentor. he/she is only giving you a sober and likely point on taking these with measure.
Why troll everyone's non "Pre fanboi" comments.
For someone to label this as a release of any kind is either an idiot or intentially trying to defame Palm/Sprint! This is obviously a leaked cellphone camera video by a PreCentral "ninja" to show the initilization of the phone. That's why it is only 12 secs long! To then go on and say that the phone offers nothing new is just absolutely preposterous, and he knows it! So you have to assume it is just a Pre-hater trying to stop people from getting the phone!
Nothing new huh? So there has been a phone that manages your Facebook, Outlook, Gmail, and phone contacts in a single database continously and in two directions. That's called cloud-syncing (OMG!)! There has been a phone that offers integrated, threaded chat for AIM, Gchat, SMS, and MMS before? (nothing new, huh) There has been a phone that has offers layered Outlook, personal, and web-based calanders and management? Yep, "nothing new" there huh? There has been a multitouch touchscreen phone with a intuitive gesture field that incorporates a full qwerty before? Oh yeah, "nothing new" right?! Yeah this is a 12 sec "release" video just to get people "worked up" about something that offers "nothing new"! Makes perfect sense.... MORON!
Noooo, he's obviously a sprint employee b/c of his YELLOW sprint shirt you in in the reflection!! He wants to keep his job, which is probably the reason it's so short. I see you doc, sneaking the phone out of fort knox on your break to keep us informed!!
LOL sprint doesn't wear yellow uniforms
Sprint managers and select employees have been given the Pre starting tonight to take home and learn. A coworker's boyfriend is a manager and brought one home last night (May 21).
Sadly, it's under strict confidentiality agreements and he said he'd be in big trouble if he let me play with it for a bit.
Anyway, that's most likely the source of this video. From what I've been told, these are still pre-release units and aren't running final firmware.
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To utilize your Palm Pre phone, you must accept the terms and conditions of Palm and create A PALM PROFILE - by introducing an active email address.
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so if I don't want to register myself at palm, I can't use the phone?
Its' needed for some of the services on the phone. Think about it, how would you get things like OTA updates, etc.?
Don't you have to do something similar to activate your windows machine or your mac?
"Think about it, how would you get things like OTA updates, etc.?"
through the internet and not per mail.
"Don't you have to do something similar to activate your windows machine or your mac?"
no, I can activate my windows without giving them an active email address. And for firefox and co it is also not needed to register myself with an email address to get updates.
I am getting plenty of updates for programs where I have never registered myself.
why do you think, it is necessary, where obviously other companies are able to handle this without the need for a register process?
It's an email address, not your ssn. Create a fake account if you are so paranoid. Like I said, it's needed for some of the services on the phone.
I really don't understand your complaint here, but oh well.
"It's an email address, not your ssn. Create a fake account if you are so paranoid. Like I said, it's needed for some of the services on the phone."
sure, that can be done. But I simply find it unnecessary, that I do have to do these things, just for using the phone. That's all. That's not a big concern -- I never said so --, but a kind of disturbing action I have to do.
You find it unneccessary because you are trying to find any fault you can in the device/service in order to deter people from buying it! Nobody here is an idiot!
you are wrong. I would buy a pre just right now, if I could get in now through my provider. but this does not mean, that I must "hurray" everything palm is doing.
Hey I'm not bashing you or anything so please don't take it that way. I just think this is a non-issue. You've posted to this article a few times now right? Each time (since you are "not verified") you had to provide an email address right? So you likely faked one, right? And possibly filled out a CAPCHA, right? How many times have you had to fake an email address just to comment on this article? Now compare that to faking an email ONCE to register your phone.
I know, I know, you didn't actually have to "create an account" in order to post here. But you get my point, right?
sure, I get your point. Its just, that I do not like phones that need a registration, as e.g. the iPhone. I think with new versions from android they are now allowing the use of the phone without having a google account.
It's not a big issue, I would buy a pre nevertheless, but I would prefer if they do not try to enforce people to register themself.
You did read the acticle about the Pre setting up a Palm Profile didn't you? Your email is your username for all the features you get with the Palm Profile. Read about it and you will see why it's a good idea.
You are not registering yourself at Palm, Mr Anonymous iPhone-queer! You are registering an email address at Sprint! So you best manager your account via your phone!
"You are not registering yourself at Palm, Mr Anonymous iPhone-queer!"
I don't like iPhones and you are as anonymous than myself. look at your address line. it says "not verified". that's similar as not entering a name there at all.
"You are registering an email address at Sprint!"
that was not clear for me.
This is not for sprint and its definitely not to start getting your email. This is just creating an account with Palm that just happens to be using your email address as your username. That is all.
Its almost the same thing with Blackberry BIS, you need to setup an account to acess those services. Also the iphone requires you to have itunes in order to get updates and get started. I hate having unnecessary bloatware on my computer.
Where in that video do you see a Palm prompt or anything that says Palm Registration? It is a Sprint account regirstration!! That's why he calls Sprint customer service during the registration!! You think all it would take to register your $300+ Palm device with Palm is an email address?! When is the last time you registered your expensive equipment without a serial number or the like!! It is a Sprint-based registration!!!
Look at the pulldown menu button at the top to the device! It says 'Sprint' not 'Palm'!!
It's a Palm account actually.
It is Palm. Are you blind Daniel?
You must be dumb deaf and blind! It says 'SPRINT'! That's why he calls the Sprint Customer Care during the registration, not the Palm Customer service!!!!!! What in the world makes you think that this initiation screen has anything to do with Palm besided the article saying the words "Palm Profile"? You are creating a Palm Profile for Sprint! In other words, you are telling Sprint that you are usig a Palm Device!!!! That's why the application says 'SPRINT'!
Ever stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, there are people posting here that have a little more info than you do? I'm just saying...consider it. Nothing else.
No. I never considered that. I thought I knew everything there ever was and is to know in life. Thanks.
Are you gonna make a comment that has something to do with this topic or are you just going to antagonize?
Wow. How old are you? It was a hint dude. You may want to consider it. Seriously.
Daniel, stop trolling. People who have been around the block on phones and not glassy eyed about the Pre are not Apple fanoys.
I will stop "trolling" when Anonymous people stop deliberately trying to deceive people about a device they no little to nothing about in order to deter people on taking a chance on a device that has been demonstrated/analyzed over and over and has clearly proven itself to be one of the best, if not the best.
Um, whatever. "Proven"? It is not even released. There is every likelihood there will serious glitches and bugs.
Demonstrated over and over and over and over = Proven! Nobody said that it won't have a glitch or bug, but what device hasn't! Just because it may have a bug doesn't take away from the fact that it will be one of the best, if not the best smartphone on the market.
As someone who has access to the developer SDK, I can tell you that the Profile you create has absolutely nothing to do with Sprint.
How does having the developer SDK somehow make you more knowledgeable about this profile? Do you have the device? No. The demo is showing the user using a Sprint application and calling into the Sprint Customer service. Nowhere on the application screen does it say the word Palm. The user is creating a Palm Profile for his device and for the Sprint service. Not to notify Palm of anything. The device has absolutely no direct or indirect connectivity to Palm without going through Sprint. If you had no Sprint service, this registration would not work.
This is the "hint" I was referring to. And yes, I can confirm that being part of the early access program does in fact give you more knowledge of these types of things.
I'm not trying to "dis" you here, but you are wrong on this one. You don't have to accept that, but like I said before, stop and consider that there may be people on here with a bit more info than you. Just consider it...or not.
Funny, because when I register my profile on the SDK simulator I get a response from PALM saying my PALM account is now active.
Honestly, you don't have a clue. Quit trying to push this.
looks a lot like the unpassable "ok" screen from the blackberry storm video on engadget.com
giiimmmmeeeee
Give us a clip of the phone actually making a call
If the shortage holds true for that saturday, does anyone know when the second shipment would be arriving? The following monday? a month down the road?
Hahaha! You go from the next Monday to a month later! hahaha
just wanted to get an idea. i'm not about to wake up that early on a sat morning just for a phone. i'd like to get it at least the following week though.
Valid! I'm also not waking up to stand in line. So I to am wondering the same thing. When's the next batch? Is it a week later (doubt it because I think the "release" would just be scheduled a week later rather than on the 6th)? Is it a month later? Q3 '09? I'd like to get some idea of how long I'll have to wait since I simply don't do long lines.
Sprint is sending out emails that recommend July.
Cool! Two less people I'll have to complete with early Saturday morning. ;-)
Compete for what? They will all be gone by Saturday. On Friday those not sold to customers will be sold to employee friends at full price for ebay.
Saturday is going to be for the sad and always late saps.
As I said above - I really do hope the Pre does well - and I don't own an iPhone so please don't call me a fanboy - much as I'd like one (or a Pre, or a Blackberry) I still use my MotoRAZR.
That being said, I was simply stating the obvious - call me an idiot if it makes you feel better, but blindly believing that a major corporation 'accidentally' let several Pres out in the wild is being incredibly gullible. The phone has not been released yet - therefore, any video, image, etc, that you see has been selected (very carefully given the precarious position Palm is in) by a few suits at Palm. If you don't believe this it wouldn't appear you have much knowledge of how corporations and their marketing teams work.
Boo me all you want but in the end, whether the phone is a success or a failure you are the one being stooged by corporation that - together with Apple, with Microsoft, with GM, with whoever - could less about you.
Are you insane? Of course Sprint/Palm intentionally sent out phones for their employees. But how can you honestly believe that they "carefully selected" a 12 sec camera phone video of them using the initiation screen to be called a "release" video! You are an absolute idiot if you think this low quality video came from any marketing department in Palm or Sprint!! So quit trying to defame Palm by labeling this a "carefully selected release" video by Palm "in order to get people worked up" about a "new phone that offers nothing new" when it is obviously just a leaked camera phone video by one of the Sprint employees! It's stupid negative comments like the quotes I took from your post that make people think you are some anti-Palm, iPhone-fanboy!!
Your comments further indicate a gullibility to believe, and obsession with a product - which is common during pre-release frenzy among consumers.
There's no need to try and respond to any of your remarks. If you had knowledge of marketing tactics and presented your arguments in a reasonable, logical manner there could be a discussion.
I'm done. Pre, be well :)
Daniel you are one naive child if you think those are not marketing videos. they hold all the hallmarks of it.
They are right out of the marketing department and everyone (except one idiot) knows it.
Viral videos ARE grainy genius.
So I guess we should expect the viral video commercial that Palm and Facebook are creating to be less than 20 secs long, low quality, and shot from a cell phone camera. Right, Einstein?
Yeah, someone in the marketing department is shooting a Palm Pre viral video with their cellphone camera, then at the last second they furiously press the "call end", and the "home" buttons as the video distorts and ends strangely, as if the user had been caught by his superior and is trying to quickly quit what he is doing! Yep, straight from Palm's marketing department alright.
"That being said, I was simply stating the obvious - call me an idiot if it makes you feel better, but blindly believing that a major corporation 'accidentally' let several Pres out in the wild is being incredibly gullible."
It wasn't accidental. They executed a planned release to one rep per Sprint store, referred to as the "Sprint Advocate," to familiarize someone at each store with the device for training and advertising purposes. It's up to those reps to keep the devices under wraps. Sometimes that doesn't happen (which works out nice for those of us who are excited about the device and want to see it in action to know whether it's actually living up to the hype before we stand in a line to pick one up). It's a calculated risk that any carrier needs to take. They can't simply dump a new device on the stores one day and expect them to be able to confidently promote, explain and sell it.
Yeah, that's just my point. When other major tech companies have big releases, all you hear are rumors until the thing gets launched. It's not impossible to prevent things from being leaked. They have to train beforehand, that's a given. But I'll lay just about any odds these are intentionally released videos from Palm.
That said, if these videos are really 'leaked' and Palm really does have such a loose grip on quality control, that doesn't give much reason for confidence in the product.
"You are not registering yourself at Palm, Mr Anonymous iPhone-queer!"
Gay-bashing? Please. It's 2009.
The email is to reg for Palm services that is provided with the pre ie data back and other services.
so your email address would serve as your user id.
I can't confirm this but I belive palm has to keep stored info like your facebook password and such to provide the connection/updates
Palm does no data backups! Sprint does! If Palm is sending out any OTA/firmware updates it will be through the Sprint service! If you happen to default on you Sprint service, you will get no data recovery, no OTA updates, essentially the phone will be useful only as a personalizd note taker (ie Apple Newton)!
BS. Of course the do. It is a palm service we are discussing! You have repeated the same mistake with a dozen people correcting you over and over.
What is your point?! You haven't fooled anyone.
yeah, a dozen "anonymous" "people" "correcting" me over and over, trying to argue semantics!
The original point is that Palm is not requiring you to sign your life over to them before using their device. Palm Treo and Centro users know this! It is an email address used to establish an Palm Profile with Sprint so they can direct Palm OTA updates and the like to the correct Palm device, period! That's why the person in he video is using a Sprint regisration application (note the Sprint-labeled pull-down menu), not a Palm application, and is calling Sprint Customer service, not Palm corporate customer service!
An "anonymous" poster had implied that Palm is requiring you provide you them with an email address as if such a request was a violation of privacy! I responded saying that the Palm Profile registration is for Sprint and not for Palm so that they may own the keys to your life!
And you've been corrected on this point a many times in this thread, but you refuse to accept that you are wrong in this particular case.
Oh well.
You have provided nothing to support your claim! The "numerous" people you refer to are you and the "anonymous" poster that keeps posting to every comment I say. You have provided nothing to support your argument and have provided no explanation! I have provided three concepts that support mine: the application is Spint application (look at the pull-down menu in the picture), the call made is to Sprint Customer Care (not Palm Customer service), and with no Sprint service you cannot even initiate this registration!
I said from the get-go that this a Palm Profile you are creating for the Sprint network - you are alerting Sprint that you are using a Palm phone. Not telling Palm that you are using Palm phone.
Where is your reasoning? Please, provide.
The simple answer is that you don't have to believe me. Your "concepts" are based on a lack on knowledge. Not your fault; it's simply stuff that was not released yet. Now your stubborn approach? Well, that IS your fault. :-)
The even better answer is, check out the new article here and head on over to the forums and you'll see sprint documents that say exactly what some of us have "tried" to tell you without risking our early access privileges. You should really learn to consider that sometime people don't provide info not because they don't have it but because they are not allowed.
Checkout page 18 which has a section that reads (notice who is "able to find the device"):
Yes. First Use configures the phone for the customer, walks them through creating a Palm profile, and introduces them to some basic features.
A Palm profile is important because all webOS updates are delivered over the air. By creating a Palm profile, Palm is able to find the device to send out the latest update and back up information that is not saved elsewhere.
There is a second portion to the device set up that offers a short tutorial on how to use the Palm Pre. The term “Setup” is the preferred customer-facing term for First Use.
Note: If customers do not create a Palm profile, they cannot leave First Use/Setup, and cannot use the device. The Palm profile ensures that customers have access to the latest software updates, which will allow them to receive the latest updates.
So you believe that with no Sprint service that Palm would be able to push OTA updates to your Palm device?! Furthermore, this is laymen's terminology that you are quoting!!! Cell phones do not seriously require any "email address" for the phone to be "found"! There is something called an FCC ID and DEC number that i.d.'s your specific phone for OTA updates, data backups, and such. Open the battery cover on your phone and you will see it. If you have a SIM card, then your SIM card is an external recording of these i.d. codes. The email address is so that Sprint can create a 'Palm Profile' for you, for their database, so SPRINT can said you OTA updates and such. Palm directly sends out zero OTA updates; they do it through Sprint!
Maybe you should consider that fact that you are a condescending jerk and not everyone that makes a post on this site knows nothing!
Daniel, you seem to be in way over your head and that is what is making people laugh at your comments.
"By creating a Palm profile, Palm is able to find the device to send out the latest update and back up information that is not saved elsewhere."
LOL, silly me for not giving up on you a long time ago. You win guy/gal. You don't want explanations; you want to be right. So...you are right.
Now, go back and read my first comment.
Its' needed for some of the services on the phone. Think about it, how would you get things like OTA updates, etc.?
And there have been many others that have tried to tell you, but well, you know how you get.
There are other features that this enables as well (which are not outlined in that leaked document in the forums). So naturally, I can't list them either. There is more. Trust me...or not.
Think about it this way. What if you had a Palm device in the past? You think that if you don't use the same email address that you had associated with that old device that Palm/Sprint will not be able to forward you your data? Of course they will be able to, no matter what email address you input. This is a Palm Profile for Sprint only. That's why the user is in a Sprint application, look at the pull down menu!
You are incorrect here as well.
On the plus side, you've managed to limit the above comment only 1 exclamation mark. Good job. :-)
I am sorry that exclamation marks hurt your feelings. I am playing the smallest violin ever.
Yet again, simply say, "nope, you are wrong" but offer no reasoning, no explanation.
Unbelievable how you get through life.
We have our own resident "troll": Daniel
Knows nothing, yet keeps repeating incorrect info and crying and calling names when shown wrong.
Unbelievable? Tell what have I said that is incorrect. Find the quote. Make a logic claim against what I have said. Make more than a 10 word posting!
Yeah, he has officially dubbed me "a condescending jerk". I think someone else got called an iphone-queer or something and he's handed out a few "fanboy" name tags. I think we should start a rock band now that we've our names handed to us. :-)
wait til he sees this. Do you think he will apoligize to all of us or jsut go back to being anonymous:
"Note: If customers do not create a Palm profile, they cannot leave First Use/Setup, and cannot use
the device. The Palm profile ensures that customers have access to the latest software updates,
which will allow them to receive the latest updates."
Page 19 of the just released Sprint Pre launch guide.
Unfortunately, he is not interested in facts. So he will just "name you" and move on. It's what he does. If you're lucky, you'll get an exclamation mark or two with your name. If you're truly lucky, you'll get a name in all caps with an exclamation mark or two. Either way, once you get your name, we can talk about creating the rock band. :-)
Again, it's not because I don't have an explanation, it's because I'm not allowed to broadcast it...not yet anyway. Sorry you can't understand that. You are still wrong on this point however.
Man I am diggin' that screen. GSM please.
Wow. Looks like a cool phone!
But I have to say certain posters being allowed to remain here with all their exclamation marks and attitude kind of puts me off...
LOL, I wonder who that is?
Anyway, don't be put off. That person really does not have the facts...at least not in this specific case.
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