When a webOS rumor rains, it pours. Mere hours after we heard about some sort of "mini-Pre" and saw a blurrycam update, Engadget drops more details. Here's what they're saying: it will be a 3G candybar headed to AT&T. It will be 10.6mm thin (!) and 55mm x 111mm, weigh 100 grams, and have a 2.63" 320x400 capacitive touchscreen.
4 gigs of storage, the same 1150mAh battery as the Pre (and it'll be removable), $349 pre-rebate, A-GPS, MMS, 2 megapixel camera. The. Works.
The codename is apparently "castle," which we had previously assumed was the codename for the Pre.
So, does this mean the Pre isn't coming to AT&T? Will we see a CDMA verison of the EOS? All the slider-haters out there are going to have a very tough decision on their hands if this rumor pans out (and it looks very much like it's going to pan out.)
Update: TechCrunch reports that the device (assuming it's the same one) is code-named "Pixie."
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This with CDMA inside on Sprint = Perfect
nice. i still think the Pre will be the better choice.
Design looks like a runner up, like it might have been designed before PRE, then shelved. Everything after Pre will have to look hot. That said, webOS might be so insanely good, people will want to load it on everything.
Nice to see you rocking our world again Palm.
Next up: WebOS Netbook...can we hope for it in 2009?!?
What? 4GB of storage and that's it? No card slot?
--James
I dont think anybody reading this site or other blog sites wants an underpowered version of Pre. Nobody ditched their Treo to run a Centro.
Stop whining.
I did! I had the 650 the 700 and then the 755 which was so freakin' huge. I love my Centro. I had a black one sold it for an In"stink" and ran back with open arms to my Centro finally in pink ;-)
There is a demographic for a Pre downgrade... young folk and people who don't need a serious smartphone. Not everyone needs 32gb of memory, access to office mail etc. No one thougt netbooks would sell either but look @ it now. Apparently Palm realized through some market study or something that to corner more of the market this is needed.
I did. Ditched my Treo 750 for a Centro.
"IF" this is a reall product, someone at Palm will loose
their job over this release of info. This could potentially undermine the release of Pre! A LOT of people will wait and not purchase Pre if there is something new coming out soon!!!
I'll bet some Apple fanboy created this!
Nope, its real. Just another piece of the actual mater of factual retarded PR strategy.
nice!!!! very thin, like a cookie :) its not a pre, but its looks really good. Palm is coming up hard and fast...look out apple and rim :)
from day one we know more about this device than we do the pre - price. also, leaking second device before the first is even out. wtf?
Not sure the point of it compared with the Pre.
Looks like a toy....I am sure its solid, but I like the design much more than the pre. pre seems as if its top heavy.
HTC snap looks like a much better device.
The HTC Snap runs Windows Mobile...DO NOT WANT!! o_O
Seems preeety fishy to me, how do we have a price on this an not the Pre? I'm calling big fat made-up hoax
Nice to see Palm isn't going to let themselves be handicapped by Sprint.
"it will be a 3G candybar headed to AT&T"
Candy bar? More like a cracker!
For us imperial folks thats:
2.16" x 4.37" x .417" thick
for reference the Treo Pro is:
2.36" x 4.49" x 0.53" thick
Looks like a great lower end option.
Footprint of the iPnone, simplicity and funtionality of the Treo with a bigger screen and O/S of pre. Nice blend of some very strong products.
Not a deal breaker if you're in the CENTRO $99 class and want a fancy phone that makes you think you look cool.
no real gps and no wifi? Deal breakers..
I don't get it, so why would there be more details (as far as price and stuff) on this than the Pre?
I have a feeling this is a bogus one..
Amazing that an unsubstantiated rumor has garnered so much opinion in a couple of hours. This is a rendering (and a poor one at best) disguising the frame of a Treo Pro as a new WebOS device. Take away the call answer and end buttons and the WinMo buttons on a TP, add some orange highlighting to the number keys, tilt it a bit and add some BS specs and viola you have an internet rumor on fire. How about some firm information on the Pre release date, pricing and the like first.
Viola? What's up with getting the strings section of the orchestra into this? I say it should be percussion, what with the keyboard and all.
Seriously, watch the typing, especially when you try for something French like voilà...
Not sure about this one.... pic looks photoshopped.
Palm isn't releasing the Pre, Sprint is.
The keyboard doesn't look right either does the "trackball??/center button".
I think this is a hoax. No way this got leaked from Palm. They haven't even leaked the dates or all the info on the Pre.
little fishy to me.
Sprint is releasing the Pre, no Palm.
Not without better specs. 4GB? no card slot? Fake GPS? FAIL.
It has the identical GPS to Pre
THERE GO THE SALES NUMBER ON THE PRE.
if that was a valid picture and not a hoax, the time on the title bar should be in the middle just like the PRE, not on the right side of the screen.
Hmm, where is this removeable battery and cover fitting? Behind a tactile keyboard or behind the touch sensative screen?
For a device that's close to the dimensions of the Treo Pro, I'd expect they'd use that battery over the Centro-style one. Thin battery for a thin phone!
I can't believe so many people think this is real. All of this hype about the Pre and now even more hype of a photo of a phone that doesn't exist.
def photoshopped
Engadget's specs say MediaNet--that's intended for basic phones. Pass the salt.
I doubt this is real. The "photo" looks more like the result of Photoshop.
I think if it was real, it would be a good news for Palm, but bad news for Sprint.
If this is real, I think Palm is making a good move, but wrong timing. The PRE is not even out yet and there's rumors of another webOS product coming out? I can understand that EOS would be a downgrade compared to the PRE, but it still runs on webOS which is the main selling point to the PRE. Palm needs to give the PRE a chance to surface and sell. People already have reservations about changing to Sprint, this would give them more cause to wait for the EOS. Palm also needs to learn from their mistake of releasing the TREO Pro just months from the release of the PRE. I don't the exact sales figure of the Pro, but I can tell it's not good. Lastly, everyone knows that Palm is taking a lot of cues from Apple's handbook of the iPhone (i.e. releasing it around same time as Apple did with the first and second iPhone, keeping most of the detail tight e lipped, and so on). Well, they need to take another page and see that it took Apple a whole year before it released the second version of it. If Apple sold the iPhone 3G a few months after the original iPhone, trust me, the iPhone would have sold half of what it did.
why didn't they make it a full touchscreen and put a soft keyboard on it? (yes, i know this would be some software changes, but android did it quickly)
do you think this form factor with a full screen will be the next palm phone?
I think if they did this it would ROCK the market. so thin and nice, just needs a larger screen
Palm hasn't released a phone with a soft keyboard. Ever. (If you're inclined to cite the Treo 180g, remember--that one was Handspring!)
And Rubinstein considers physical keyboards to be an important design factor. It'd be a surprise to see him opt for a virtual one.
Everyone's assuming that Palm leaked the info. Isn't AT&T in heated negotiations about extending their exclusivity on the IPhone. This would create leverage on the Apple front, steal thunder from Sprint, and possibly keep some people leaning towards the Pre from jumping ship.
Pretty savvy.
That would be my guess as well. Palm's only motivation to leak this would be to prop up their stock price but would hurt their relationship with Sprint (who wants as many "switchers" as possible). Some analysts have recently said Palm's stock was overpriced based on Palm being a one-trick pony with the Pre - Palm demonstrating they have a WebOS based product pipeline combats that.
AT&T, on the other hand, has everything to gain and nothing to lose by leaking this. Well, ok, AT&T might hurt their relationship with Palm, but they're in the driver's seat there anyway. Palm is not about to walk away from AT&T given they have no presence on T-Mobile and how weak Palm's relationship with Verizon is.
palm... nice web OS but keep peeple waiting for each phone, never two at a time. that way every fanatic will get one the first day then 1 month later release another making sure nothing is known so it is a complete suprise, not even press or convention stuff. run a huge commercial on the first day of each phones release and then wait for the money to pile up. be exclusive to a singe carrier(same for both phones) and then after a year after each phones release then let it be non exclusive.
According to Engaget's details,
Palm Eos: No wifi, smaller screen, smaller memory capacity, and only 2MP camera. All those are deal-breakers for me.
Though it does seem to have video recording, so possibly the Pre will have that on launch.
Pre still seems best.
EDIT: The non-curved edges of the screen of the Eos make me wonder if it's just someone fanart, like that Centro 2 a long while back. Plus the keyboard texture/composition looks really wonky, especially for a supposed Palm rendering.
this is fake. besides who the hell wants to switch to or stay with At&t anyway. if its real its time for palm to start using landscape keyboards.
Is Palm abandoning designing phones with expandable memory? Jeez.
I think this is bad timing. The PRE isn't out yet and here comes a leak for a NEW webOS phone that has little difference from the Pre. Also, does anybody see any resemblance to the Treo Pro form factor for this render?
Hmm... Looks an awful lot like a photoshopped Treo Pro or Centro. Especially the keys. The 0 key should actually be an '@' symbol with '0' being red opt key. Assuming their other phones follow a similar model (which I would expect). Center button looks like the one on the Treo Pro, but again photoshopped so it's all silver.
Yeah, I'm going for Fake.
why are we even talking about this phone?? the phone featured on this website isnt even out yet nor do we know price or release date and we are buzzing about a phone that looks inferior and that is just a rumor?
Why are some people so damn gullible?... This is a fake!!!
The bigger question I have is, why isn't Palm squashing this???
I believe this is just a good attempt to get our minds off the Palm Pre. I don't think this is a real phone. Look at the service provider portion of the top left corner, "Carrier" wtf is that?
Smart move to get WebOS in AT&T stores.
This allows ATT customers to run a head-to-head shootout against iPhoneOS.
Customers that would never visit a Sprint store can see what all the hype is about. Eos acts as an evangelist.
Bizarre view
This looks like competition for the highly successful Nokia E71.
It's big advantage over the E71 is the higher res screen in a compact form factor. To really compete though, they should match or better the E71's other specs, including wi-fi and a better camera. 2 megapixel is basically low-end nowadays. Also, the E71 has a 1500 mHa battery which gives great battery life.
I can see both sides of the argument re built-in versus expandable storage. I like the idea of expandable storage but I find I usually just buy one card and never actually swap it. I wonder if that's a common usage pattern.
I really like the size of this palm. It is easy to carry and to work on. Thats why i like it so much.
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